Cyris wrote:Agree with Riku except for the FS. A damage bump to 7-10 or so would be fine imo.
BC was missed from the list, added below.
Spike vs sustained damage is a big part also, it helps some weapons peel models more frequently then others. Consider the BC who deals 15 damage per hit at a constant rate of .7s, to the FC who deals 30 damage per hit every 1.5s or the CL dealing a 2s burst of 50 damage with a 1s cooldown.
Range is a big part of these also, as they are very unique:
BC 15.78 DP - Range 38
Lord Commissar 17.85 DPS - Range 22
Apothecary 16.05 DPS - Range 22
Force Commander 16.05 DPS - Range 22
Chaos Lord 14.58 DPS - Range 38
Warlock 13.51 DPS (no FOTM) - Range 38
Warboss 10 DPS - Range 49
Inquisitor 7.78 DPS (plasma_pvp) - Range 22
Chaos Sorceror 7.3 DPS - Range 22
Farseer 2.47 DPS - Range 22
Basically, some are short range pistols, some are more like full ranged weapons, and the WB is a sniper rifle for some reason, heh.
This is a more meaningful post and clearly indicates a sound basis for buffing the so called 'pistol' sidearms - the range 22 ones. I say, given the poor range, they ought to do more dps, no? Just as a basic principle. Then we look at specific examples and see whether or not it applies:
Lord Commissar - yeah, sure he can have it. Bleeding is what IG are all about and the LC is the bleedy, tanky melee hero of IG.
Apothecary - yeah, why not, he is hardly OP, give him it.
FC - Same deal as LC basically - it isn't like he bleeds too much as it is, I think him being more of a bleeder is fine in the terms of balance, in fact I think it is better for him as a hero.
CS - Doesn't need as large a buff as he isn't as inherently gimped as the apo and honestly he is more of a support hero, the apo sure, he heals and is supportive in that way but he can do well running aroud just with asm or 1 tac, the CS needs to be blobbing with his army to be optimal. Give him 11dps perhaps?
FS - Farseer does have support abilities but I view her much like the apo in that she can be quite good running with solo squads, just a banshee say, or a shuri, or even on her own with fortune/doombringer. I also think she needs a buff as she's one of the worst heroes in 1v1 atm and definitely the worst eldar hero (her t1 is too weak and t1 is too influential in the current meta for her strong t2 to save her). I think a massive buff to ~14dps would be justified.
Inquisitor - As Toilailee has argued himself before in reference to the power sword purchase on the FC, a plasma weapon in t1 is no better than a bolt weapon against most races. You don't aim to bleed tacs with your hero anyway, or csm, or warriors, unless they have an upgraded weapon. Tics, scouts, gaunts, all ork t1 units, ig t1 units and eldar t1 units you do. Plasma is not a good thing. I'd take piercing damage over it any day on my initial side arm even for the same dps. Furthermore, she cannot and should not be as good as the LC because she isn't the tanky melee hero that bleeds everything - she's more of an offensive controlling hero. But I still think her chasing potential with melee weapons is overly crappy, especially when she upgrades to the holy brazier. I think she should get a buff to her plasma pistol to 11dps. Whether that be by default or after getting the holy brazier I dunno. I'm aware a buff to the holy brazier is hardly what is called for atm but I think we all know that the reason why it is such a strong wargear is not due to any inherent stat changes it causes but rather holy pyre being too strong as an ability.
I don't think the longer ranged sidearms need a change.
Dark Riku wrote:I do not list every reason I have for my opinion here as it would take hours to write.
I also have the opinion that SM's are lacking and that the apothecary most definitely needs some love.
Well I can appreciate that as it really does take a lot of time and one must question whether or not really it is worth it.
That said, what do you think to my response? Is the original premise justifiable? Are the specific arguments okay or do they need further elaboration?
Secondly, my only problem with your original post is just that really it is rather meaningless. As far as I'm concerned you may well have just said "no, I don't really care for such changes" - your reasons were so arbitrary that they were barely reasons at all imo. I wouldn't want people to find themselves confused as to how such a wise player such as yourself would be making arguments which seem to them to carry no weight (them thinking why don't I get it???) but really you're just being too lazy to properly elaborate on your reasoning